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#1 Old 06-18-2009, 10:56 PM
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Help!! with 2000 C 230 Smartkey replacement

Hi there! Just joined your forum today although I've visited your site quite a few times in the past and found it very helpful. So here's my problem: I have owned a 2000 C230 Kompressor for the past 5 years since buying it used. I only got 1 key with the car and it finally just died and will no longer start the car at all. I called the dealer (closest one is 50 miles away) and they want me to have the car towed to them so they can order a key and program it which they say is about $350. Is there any locksmith I can call to do this? Can I get a key off the internet that will work? I saw one for around $34.00 that is supposed to work and the serial # is the same as mine (IYZ3302). Any help is greatly appreciated!
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Have you tried to change the battery inside the key first? Do not buy a key over the internet, you will end up worse off and well out of pocket. The dealers are the only people who can programme a new key.

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Eric is right, don't go down the eBay route for a new key, and yes try a new battery first.

I didn't think you have to take the car to the $tealer, I was under the impression that if you take in the car documents (Proof of ownership) they will supply a new programmed key?
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The dealer is your only bet and only they can order a key that will work with your car.

The battery in the key should not affect the start of your car because it uses an inductive circuit (drawing powered from the car).
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The dealer is your only bet and only they can order a key that will work with your car.

The battery in the key should not affect the start of your car because it uses an inductive circuit (drawing powered from the car).
A defective battery cannot be charged.

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There is no charging taking place when the key is inserted into the ignition. The battery is not re-chargable either.

The reserve key, as a matter of fact, has no battery (see pic). It can only be used to start the car or open the door (with the mechanical key).

The battery in the key is only for remote functions.
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There is no charging taking place when the key is inserted into the ignition. The battery is not re-chargable either.

The reserve key, as a matter of fact, has no battery (see pic). It can only be used to start the car or open the door (with the mechanical key).

The battery in the key is only for remote functions.
This contradicts what you said in perm 4.

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This contradicts what you said in perm 4.
I do not think so.

In both posts, I am saying the battery has nothing to do to START the car. Starting the car does not need a battery in the key. You should have access to the DAS information on how these keys work or I can paste the info.

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I do not think so.

In both posts, I am saying the battery has nothing to do to START the car. Starting the car does not need a battery in the key. You should have access to the DAS information on how these keys work or I can paste the info.
I am not against what you are saying but simply trying to clarify this for the OP. If I remove the battery from the key and then try to start the engine their will be a warning on the instrument cluster saying key not found correct?

Yes I have access to DAS but all three units are being used at the mo lol. Please paste the info for all to read and that should clarify things thanks.

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THE DRIVE AUTHORIZATION FUCNTION:

All Mercedes-Benz vehicles manufactured in about the last dozen years use DAS (Drive Authorization System) to electronically validate the vehicle's key. Each key fob for this system contains an EEPROM chip that stores a fixed serial number and a rolling code. Each time the key is used in the ignition switch, DAS reads both the fixed serial number and the rolling code. These values are compared to known valid values stored in DAS. If a match is found, the ECM (Engine Control Module) will allow the engine to start and run, and DAS will write a new randomized rolling code to the key fob's EEPROM. If the key fails validation, even if it is mechanically able to turn the ignition switch, the ECM will prevent the engine form running.

Every Mercedes-Benz vehicle has a record in FDOK (The Mercedes worldwide database that contains all information about ever Mercedes ever built). When the record is created for a new vehicle, a set of unique key serial numbers is assigned and stored in FDOK. Only certain authorized employees at authorized PDC's (Parts Distribution Center) have access to this information. Authorized PDC's stock virgin key transponders and have special equipment to program them with valid serial numbers from FDOK. Keys are programmed when key set is ordered for a new vehicle or an additional or replacement key is ordered for an existing vehicle. Only a factory or an authorized service center can order keys. For existing vehicles, the service center is required to verify that the customer ordering a key is in fact the owner of the vehicle in question. Examining the customer's photo ID and the vehicle's registration receipt generally satisfies this.

For new factory vehicles, there is an operation that performs the initial programming of DAS to introduce it to its assigned key set. This loads all the pre-defined key serial numbers into DAS as defined in FDOK. Even though not all keys physically exist, all possible key ID's for that vehicle are loaded. This is performed in different ways depending on which version of DAS the vehicle uses. Once performed, there is a marriage process that irreversibly locks this data into DAS. Once married to a key set, DAS will only recognize keys in that set. Officially, there is no way to reverse this process and introduce a new key set to DAS, nor is there a way to alter any of the individual key ID's known to DAS.

DIFFERENCES IN VERSION OF DAS:

There are two versions of DAS: version 2 and 3. Version 2 generally uses the rectangular fob and a mechanical switchblade to operate the ignition switch. Version 3 almost exclusively uses a tapered fob key with an infrared interface and has no metal blade for the ignition switch.

The main difference between DAS 2 and DAS 3 is in the way the key is validated. With DAS 2, the key is validated only by the DAS/AAM module (All-Activity Module), which in turn sends an OK to Start signal to the ECM via the CAN. With DAS 3, the key's ID is actually transmitted over the CAN where the ECM validates it.

For all versions of DAS, there is no battery required for the key. The battery in the key fob is used only to power the RCL (Remote Control Locking) functions. The power for the DAS functions comes from an electronic coil mounted in the ignition switch housing that supplies inductive current to the circuitry in the key fob.

KEY CONFIGURATIONS FOR DAS 2:

With DAS 2, there is a maximum of 8 unique keys per vehicle. These key ID's are programmed into a virgin DAS/AAM module at the factory using the valet key, also known as the One-Way Master. This master key is programmed at the PDC with all eight pre-defined key numbers as assigned to the vehicle in FDOK. At the factory, the master is used along with the HHT (Hand Held Tester) to initiate the download of these ID's. Once the download has taken place, the key set can be married to DAS either by a function on the HHT or after 50 engine starts. The one-way master then becomes one of the valid 8 key numbers and is designated as the valet key. Other than lacking the RCL functions, the valet key has the same EEPROM and programmable rolling code functions as the rectangular fob keys.

When a new key is requested, either because one is lost or the customer desires an additional spare key, it is ordered from the PDC where it is created with the next unused key number according to FDOK. If the key is a replacement for a lost key, the service center technician will disable the key number of the missing key. This can be done as either a reversible or irreversible process. This has no effect on the RCL function; it's programming is handled separately within the AAM. This means that it is possible to have a key that can function for RCL, but not start the engine. Once all eight key numbers have been created by the PDC, any additional keys would require replacement of the DAS module and the creation of an entirely new key set from the PDC.

KEY CONFIGURATIONS FOR DAS 3:

With DAS 3, there is a maximum of 24 keys per vehicle, however only 8 can be active at a time. Basically, DAS 3 has the same 8 key numbers as DAS 2, but for each key number, there are three key segments. The valid key numbers and segments are programmed into the virgin ESL (Electronic Steering Lock), EIS (Electronic Ignition Switch) and ECM using a special green-colored workshop key. As delivered, the vehicle will have two keys using key number 1, segment 1 and key number 2, segment 1. Some models were delivered with three keys, the third one bing a reserved key with no battery in it. It can only be used to start the car or open the door with the mechanical key. When a new key is ordered, the PDC determines which key number and segment to supply based on whether the key is a replacement for a lost one or and additional spare key.
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